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PODCAST: Should you go to college during a recession?

PODCAST: Should you go to college during a recession?

The Recruiters Lounge Podcast is created with recruiters and HR professionals in mind, however this episode discusses issues job hunters would have an interest in. Tune in to the podcast to see what I mean.


Should you go to school during a recession?

In this podcast, Jim and Karen talk about the wisdom of investing thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours into an education when there are no jobs at the end of the process. For that matter, why is a degree necessary for some jobs and not for others? Plus, did you know that you can sue a company for interviewing you for a job that doesn’t exist? And yes, it may be offtopic a bit, but did you know that their is a scam process in place to keep salaries high for lawyers (and Doctor’s too, I think). Finally, Jim and Karen debate the legalities (and entrapment?) of the EEOC when they investigate your hiring practices. Good times…

Quick peek inside the podcast:

01:35 – If they raise taxes in January, its going to be a FUBAR
04:04 – One in 14 students defaulted on their student loans in ’09
08:00 – In this economy, you’re going to tell me people don’t wanna’ moonlight?
10:33 – …and the school does not tell you that you can’t take the bar exam, then yeah, sue
12:58 – Would you say higher education is a Ponzi scheme?
15:12 – …the guy who didn’t graduate will have more money than the guy who did
18:54 – …they had to let the CEO go because he lied on his resume
26:42 – …hiring outside the company for leadership positions. What does that do for your retention?
28:50 – if he needed a manager for a bank, he would interview admins to get the gossip. He has no intention of hiring the assistant
33:54 – Do you know what a tester is?
39:00 – I could, but I would think about how this person represents my searchfirm
42:28 – But that’s a subjective argument


ARTICLES CITED IN THE PODCAST

ADDITIONAL NOTES

  • Karen made a boo-boo. Its not the lawyers, but the docs. Click here for evidence.

ABOUT THE HOSTS

KAREN MATTONEN, CAC, CSP

Karen is an experienced, successful recruiter who operates her own business and is actively involved in many industry organizations and activities. After a successful tenure as a recruiter with Snelling, Karen struck out on her own, founding Advanced Career Solutions (ACS). ACS focuses on recruiting for the HVAC Industry. Karen has achieved accreditation as a California Accredited Consultant (CAC) through California Staffing Professionals. She has also gained her Certified Staffing Professional Certificate (CSP) through American Staffing Professionals. (www.americanstaffing.net)

Karen has a new and future-oriented vision of what recruiting can and should become: a profession we can be proud of for its ethical standing, professional conduct and ability to build great organizations. Her doing-well-by-doing-right philosophy is shaking up the status quo in an industry that needs to be shaken. She does this with conviction, leadership, and a distinctive voice that cries out for change.

Karen was a co-creator of the landmark webinar event – “EEOC Discrimination Debate.” This event featured senior members of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) and staffing industry experts discussing and debating difficult issues about discrimination in today’s workplace environment. Company executives, hiring managers, recruiters, and human resource professionals from across the United States were invited to participate in the free Webinar and live panel discussion. Karen also served as one of the panelists on the discussion team in the March, 2006 event.

As co-host of the popular podcast “The Recruiters Lounge,”Karen discusses her frank opinions on the recruitment industry with her co-host, Jim Stroud.

Outside of the HR community, Karen Mattonen has been cited by Microsoft as a resource in how to use Microsoft Outlook as an ATS. She has also served as the Marketing and Public Relations Director for the 3rd largest city in Utah.

Karen is also one of the founders of HireCentrix, the New Generation, Online Human Resources and Recruiting Destination – The Pulse of Regulation, Retention, Recruiting and Risk Management www.hirecentrix.com . HireCentrix, is a new company focused on the Employment industry, offering a full service resource for individuals to share and communicate, obtain current and accurate information, acquire and provide education and learning within the quickly expanding, diverse and rapidly changing Recruiting and Human Resource climate.

Contact Karen at – KarenM@hirecentrix.com / Follow @hirecentrix on Twitter.

Jim Stroud

Jim Stroud is a “Searchologist” with an expertise in the full life-cycle placement of Executive and Technical personnel, Recruitment Research and Competitive Intelligence. He has consulted for such companies as Google, Siemens, MCI and a host of start-up companies. During his 3-year tenure with Microsoft, he served as a Technical Sourcing Consultant and was a regular contributor to Microsoft’s Technical Careers Blog. He is presently a Social Media Development Manager for EnglishCafe – the premier English learning community for global professionals which has English quizzes, online classes and more.

Jim Stroud is also the Chief Blogger at The Searchologist where he publishes a website, magazine and online video series dedicated to lead generation strategies for Recruiters.

Click here for more info about Jim Stroud / Follow @jimstroud on Twitter

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6 comments

  1. I agree your all comments because i am a college graduate.. A higher degree is necessary for some jobs because you can enhanced your skills to do work about the jobs..

  2. Unless you have a trade that is in demand, I would suggest college, if you could afford it, since the unemploymet rate is 4%for cllege graduates and above 12% for non grads.

  3. A most interesting podcast guys. Thanks for doing it. A college education in the US appears to be an incredibly expensive activity viz a university education in Australia. To give you some idea a generics arts degree over 3 years will cost a student about US$35,000 at a “good” university in Australia. Moreover the Australian government funds the cost of tertiary education through a deffered tax system called HECS. That is, you will only pay the amount back as increased tax once you start earning a certain amount and above. During the GFC I understand that tertiary enrollments increased greatly.

  4. It seems even more so in the legal profession. http://www.qfora.com/jdu/ Here you will see even lawyers stating that there are a lot of degrees and No lawyers – quoted from the top post, bailed out – 30,000 jobs produced for attorneys each year and 45,000 new lawyers.

    The problem is that many companies will mandate a degree is necessary, and will not look at experience
    – but thankfully the EEOC has determined that Requesting Degree only, or putting a focus on Education can indeed create a disparate impact, or systemic discrimination.
    meaning that it can affect a particular group of protected classes, more so than others. They find it to be unreasonable and unnecessary. Great information on this can be found here.
    http://www.hirecentrix.com/eeoc-issues-opinion-letter-on-disparate-impact-of-education-requirements.html

  5. Susan,

    I totally agree with you. I know people who are still paying off student loans for a degree that they have yet to use a decade later.

    Jim

  6. Depending on what field you want to go into, I’m not sure college is as essential as they make it sound. Sure, there are professions where higher education is needed, but there are many others where you will NEVER recoup the investment you made in an expensive college education.

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